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Raw Politics: breaking down the Brexit ‘Irish border’ issue

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  1. The “mainland” of Britain is when I stopped listening. I’ll accept Europe being described as the mainland, it’s a continent but between two small islands there is no mainland. British people need to get their head out of the clouds , just in simple conversation they betray a huge arrogance.

  2. There are already regulatory, fiscal, legal and currency differences either side of the border. How are these enforced and violations dealt with? The GFA is a very important milestone, but it is not Holy Scripture: it deliberately contains many fudges (wouldn't have been signed without them) which were bound to fall apart at some stage or other.
    The EU is not a party to the GFA; it is mentioned in it. The GFA's authors never thought about Brexit, so the GFA isn't equipped to deal with it. However to use that as an argument to stop is nonsense. No parliament can bind a future parliament. No treaty can never be altered, even if the original contains no provisions for modification. There are principles in international law that can be used to update and)or modify such treaties, protocols and agreements.

  3. So when Eire broke away from the UK, how did the UK react towards them.
    Well they gave them a free trade deal and free movement of people and how much did Eire pay for this privilege…..yep that’s right NOTHING! ….those British are so mean!!!!
    The EU is just a bigger copy of the UK, the big countries like France and Germany will get what they want because they will have a bigger say, just like England.
    So much nonsense being said here

  4. The real question is: how can the requisite technology but added to the current remote monitoring and what kind of lead time is necessary to get this working? That is the only solution, if we leave without a trade deal. No UK or Eire government is going to build a bloody wall. I doubt that even the EU would force Eire to have a wall; and even if they did, they would probably just leave the EU instead. If the EU stops sulking and agrees a free trade deal the problem largely evaporates. Contrary to much of the messaging in the broadcast media; it's the EU that needs to decide what it wants!

  5. The Irish don't like the EU, just as much as the UK.

    Nice Treaty 2001/2
    Referendum #1 : Voted NO,
    forced referendum #2 : Voted YES.

    Lisbon Treaty 2008/9
    Referendum #1 : Voted NO,
    forced referendum #2 : Voted YES.

  6. Leaving the customs union Ireland has to *ffing apply EU law with no choice but to have customs checks on the border. Eg. all goods worth more than €300 into NI have to be checked. We're talking VAT, tarifs, export declarations, costly services etc. The meaning of a seamless border or not, that's what's the issue at hand. 'Breaking down..'

  7. Northern Ireland and the republic of Ireland could form a two state federal union, with NI having a fully devolved government. I can't see NI unionists ever accepting their country being effectively annexed by Eire.

  8. I´m and outsider too, and I also think that the solution to this problem could be easier if politicians wanted to make things easier, but the main problem is that no deal means no regulation, so even if people from both sides don´t want to close the border, if UK doesn´t want a Single Market, and if NI doesn´t want to leave UK (as well as Gibraltar-Spain case), borders should be restored as long as transactions between both countries will now be affected by taxes and by different regulations, so obviously some mechanisms to control importations and exportations between those two countries will be needed. UK is free to agree on any type of agreement, but Ireland can´t, because is part of EU and is an exclusive EU competence to decide on trade agreements. The main problem for me is not between Ireland and UK, is between UK and EU, I´m sure neither Ireland nor UK want to close the border, and, as long as I´m from Spain, I understand the fear of bringing back old ghosts from the past, becasue we had similar (but obviously different) problems here and they are always flying around, but what I see is that one part (UK) wants to leave EU with its own conditions, so that affected Ireland issue indirectly, even when, probably, none of both sides wanted to create any conflict at all. A specia status can be the solution to this problem, but the problem is that for reaching that special status UK and EU need to negotiate and reach an agreement, if both parts (UK and EU) are not willing to accept some condition, negotiations are blocked, so that any special status can be adopted.

  9. Th answer to your border problem was displayed on BBC Click 15th September which has been used effectively between Estonia (EU) and Russia for several years. Almost totally electronically managed for this much-used border between an EU country and a NON EU country just as the border between NI and Eire will be after March 2019.
    SO WHAT IS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT? Just get on and implement it.

  10. Oh, tech could do it,eh? How naive! In these days where a newspaper on the ground can be read via a satellite in space, is a visible hard border between Northern and Southern Ireland even necessary anymore? Cars can be tracked now via their inboard computers. Most people carry a device that is easily tracked by the authorities.
    After the horrors of the 1970s and 80s, do you really believe that the British Gov. is not fully aware, right now, of exactly who is on those ferry boats that operate between Ireland and the British coast? Who is driving across, etc? There is an invisible hard border, deep monitoring, right now between Ireland and the UK, it just no longer needs to be obvious due to microwave technology. Duh!
    This hard/soft border business is a total non-issue being promoted by the remoaners to ruin Brexit! IMHO!

  11. Incorrect. The name of the independent state on the Island is Ireland. The name of the UK province in the North East is Northern Ireland. The naming dispute was resolved as part of the good friday agreement in 1998. Simply shocking how people still get the name wrong. The state known as Ireland went by the name Rep. of Ireland up until 1998. Please stop using that name, it is incorrect and demonstrates poor fact checking on your part.

  12. Britain's vote to leave the EU will have a real negative effect on the whole of the island of Ireland. Somehow I don't think the British people gave this much thought when they voted. Ireland is never on their minds, except when there is trouble. The Good Friday agreement was enough of a fudge to keep both sides from killing each other. That something really worthwhile.
    It can all go up in smoke now, telling people you need a passport to travel in what they see as their own country will ignite the whole mess again. The conservative's have being using smoke and mirrors to talk up a friction less boarder. If you are not identifying who is going in and out what was the point in leaving in the first place. If you do, that will be interpreted as monitoring.
    Watch towers whether maned by people or machines are still watch towers. That's not going to be lost on by anybody.
    Stick to the agreement; Protect the Good Friday Agreement. It has served the peace well.

  13. Long Live The Queen
    Sorry but you people forced it onto yourself! You signed the GFA not the EU! The EU was a chance of peace for this part of the world and Britains chance to get peace from the IRA after nearly 70 Years. now the English voted themselves out of the club, now they have to come up with a solution that they could not find in 70 years! You are scared of people that think a compromise is a good thing? Think again!

  14. it likely that in 50 yrs time there will be a boarder and curfue check with armies – because resources are drying up – and religious vs non religious of sort – will collide which is stupid – but on the whole it is the past that failed to conquer the land – this makes today problem to prevent the decade old problems from re-occurring —- no one really understand it —- just like the issues of Islrael conflicts ——————- there probably will be conflicts in the future because of the time line of 2 yrs to negotiate with the EU – however, Ireland is part of EU and imagine a conflict of boarder for Brits fishing – and worst if Scotland break away from the UK – yet power shortage in say 20 yrs time for England – which ofcourse can easily be solved but companies don't want that —— and if we have Nuclear power stations — where does the waste go?? the ground and sea — if it is the sea, France and Netherland and Ireland and sweeden and Norway will be pissed – let alone our dying fishes in our boarder ——– so yes major problems will happen there

  15. I really do not understand why we cannot have a sea border. Norther Ireland voted by a large majority to stay in the EU so it would suit them to have the border in the sea. It would also give the UK a simple access to the EU because we would control the border ( rather than the French etc) & we would probably move some manufacturing there so a side effect would be an economic benefit to the population of NI

  16. The tech solution is ALREADY AVAILABLE It's used at every major port in the UK and the EU right now.all goods are processed for import before or during transit.The port of Felixstowe handles eighty billion pounds worth of none EU trade this way. It's called 'Destin8". A British invention being sold all over the world.
    Considering the cross border UK/ Irish trade is 3.8 Billion pounds per year and the developers of Destinat8 say it would be simple to adapt it to this use this 'tech' solution is a none issue!

  17. Didn't the EU begin just about trade, the EEC which it was called has gained too much power and the thought people want to hand over sovereignty to unelected bureaucrats scares me something bigger is obviously at work, i don't think the Germans were over with ww2 it always comes in 3's.

  18. Well the Tories really fucked up didn't they? Having screwed the EU project, the loss of goodwill was evident to all but this bunch of self serving dimwits. There's plenty more where that came from. I see Spain pressing for a return of Gibraltar in the not too distant future. The Rule Britannia types will point to superior military might – we've got 2 carriers and stealth fighters don't you know? A simple shutdown of the border (You mean there's another Brexit inspired border? Shock horror 😮) and Gibraltarians will demand Britain provide an unsustainable level of support – failing which, the next referendum will be adios. The only seat at the EU high table will be Spanish. And in all this Britain would still have a vested interest in maintaining good relations as far as is possible. Remember the Argies in the Falklands. If they weren't shut out of purchasing European tech they would have ruined any plan to reclaim the islands. Of course the simpleton logic that landed us in this Brexit shitstorm can't envision this scenario. Their economy is kaput. Don't forget it was a collapse in the economy that inspired the last invasion. With all that oil under them rocks the EU could help them or deal with China helping themselves to an easy resource. Remember the freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea? China won't forget them anytime soon. They're still bitter about the opium wars. Meanwhile Scottish Nationalists can't believe the excellent lay up they have been given. Even Welsh Nationalists are watching keenly. Yes the Tories are recklessly stupid enough to ruin Britain completely unless they are themselves destroyed. And the gullible idiots who were sold on the £320 million per week extra that was supposed to be available for the NHS upon Brexit are now repeating "just get on with it" as if that's a master plan. No holding to account the lying charlatans who inspired this mess as part of their own career boosting political games……

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